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faded_laceSo, I need to get to bed, but I just needed to drive by and say this:
Crea was absolutely awful.
I've never had a worse concert/event experience in my whole time in Johnny's fandom. The show was billed as "Sexy Age/Sexy Jr." and list as Hirano Sho, Nagase Ren, Nakamura Reia, and Takahashi Kaito. You know, so there was no confusion as to who was headline the show. In Sexy Zone's Yokohama concerts, they also said specifically that Hirano and Nagase were Sexy Age and Reia and Takahashi Kaito were Sexy Jr. But yet, throughout most of the show, the numbers were three people.
Yes, that's right. Hirano. Nagase. Takahashi.
Each of those three had solo lines in each song. Reia? None. Each of those three had three solo numbers a piece. Reia? None. Matsukura Kaito, Matsuda Genta, Inoue Mizuki, and Kawasaki Koki, for heaven's sake, had more solos than Reia. And to make matters worse, he just looked so… lonely and sad and tired the whole time. Thankfully, he has a large, supportive fanbase, and saw a bunch of girls in the front few rows who made him smile, but for the whole time he just... seemed so lost.
And in the MC, too, Nagase and Hirano just… were absolutely the worst to him (and to some extent Takahashi Kaito, too). Whenever Reia tried to get a word in, they interrupted him or just plain talked over him, and for most of the MC, they had their backs turned to him, completely ignoring him and keeping him on the outside of the conversation. A couple times he managed to speak, and even then, he was graciously talking about them, not trying to make the conversation about himself but actually asking them about their lives, and they always answered in a way that became an insular conversation with Reia on the outside. Finally, he gave up and stopped holding his mic up and sort of just looked into the audience or around the room seeming sad and lost. And like. I get that Nagase and Hirano are dumb teenagers, and it probably wasn't intentional. But seriously, it didn't take a rocket scientist to notice how rude they were being to Reia.
In a truly sad display of how thoroughly emotionally involved in fandom I am, I cried three separate times during the show over how poorly Reia was treated, and had to fight the tears back really hard after the show. After my long and someone unpleasant adolescent pre-professional ballet career, I know how it feels like to be in that position, and more than being upset for myself not getting to see more of him, it really hurts to know how unhappy he was feeling.
At the very end, when idols typically give a short speech about how they're thankful for the fans and worked hard on the show and "please support us in the future" etc, only Nagase, Hirano, and Takahashi came out on stage. Only Nagase, Hirano, and Takahashi gave speeches. Only Nagase, Hirano, and Takahashi sang the following song together. It was really and truly astounding how purposefully and thoroughly Reia was completely excluded from almost every aspect of the show.
I probably won't write a full report because frankly, it's too unpleasant for me to think about, but I'll definitely write a more thorough and complete compilation of my thoughts and observations. In a consolation prize, Jinguji did come see Reia tonight, so here's to hoping he's cheering him up.
Otherwise, this weekend was really great! I saw Ebiza with Amanda of![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
je_goods and britkit27, met nekobot01 in person for the first time, went to the Johnny's shop and bought tons of photos of Reia, and hung out with yararanger! So that was all really nice. But, man, Crea really dampened my weekend and my mood and my creativity. Here's to hoping I'm feeling a little better tomorrow.
Crea was absolutely awful.
I've never had a worse concert/event experience in my whole time in Johnny's fandom. The show was billed as "Sexy Age/Sexy Jr." and list as Hirano Sho, Nagase Ren, Nakamura Reia, and Takahashi Kaito. You know, so there was no confusion as to who was headline the show. In Sexy Zone's Yokohama concerts, they also said specifically that Hirano and Nagase were Sexy Age and Reia and Takahashi Kaito were Sexy Jr. But yet, throughout most of the show, the numbers were three people.
Yes, that's right. Hirano. Nagase. Takahashi.
Each of those three had solo lines in each song. Reia? None. Each of those three had three solo numbers a piece. Reia? None. Matsukura Kaito, Matsuda Genta, Inoue Mizuki, and Kawasaki Koki, for heaven's sake, had more solos than Reia. And to make matters worse, he just looked so… lonely and sad and tired the whole time. Thankfully, he has a large, supportive fanbase, and saw a bunch of girls in the front few rows who made him smile, but for the whole time he just... seemed so lost.
And in the MC, too, Nagase and Hirano just… were absolutely the worst to him (and to some extent Takahashi Kaito, too). Whenever Reia tried to get a word in, they interrupted him or just plain talked over him, and for most of the MC, they had their backs turned to him, completely ignoring him and keeping him on the outside of the conversation. A couple times he managed to speak, and even then, he was graciously talking about them, not trying to make the conversation about himself but actually asking them about their lives, and they always answered in a way that became an insular conversation with Reia on the outside. Finally, he gave up and stopped holding his mic up and sort of just looked into the audience or around the room seeming sad and lost. And like. I get that Nagase and Hirano are dumb teenagers, and it probably wasn't intentional. But seriously, it didn't take a rocket scientist to notice how rude they were being to Reia.
In a truly sad display of how thoroughly emotionally involved in fandom I am, I cried three separate times during the show over how poorly Reia was treated, and had to fight the tears back really hard after the show. After my long and someone unpleasant adolescent pre-professional ballet career, I know how it feels like to be in that position, and more than being upset for myself not getting to see more of him, it really hurts to know how unhappy he was feeling.
At the very end, when idols typically give a short speech about how they're thankful for the fans and worked hard on the show and "please support us in the future" etc, only Nagase, Hirano, and Takahashi came out on stage. Only Nagase, Hirano, and Takahashi gave speeches. Only Nagase, Hirano, and Takahashi sang the following song together. It was really and truly astounding how purposefully and thoroughly Reia was completely excluded from almost every aspect of the show.
I probably won't write a full report because frankly, it's too unpleasant for me to think about, but I'll definitely write a more thorough and complete compilation of my thoughts and observations. In a consolation prize, Jinguji did come see Reia tonight, so here's to hoping he's cheering him up.
Otherwise, this weekend was really great! I saw Ebiza with Amanda of
je_goods and britkit27, met nekobot01 in person for the first time, went to the Johnny's shop and bought tons of photos of Reia, and hung out with yararanger! So that was all really nice. But, man, Crea really dampened my weekend and my mood and my creativity. Here's to hoping I'm feeling a little better tomorrow.
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Date: 2014-05-25 04:28 pm (UTC)I'm so sorry that happened. :(((((((((
But it was really nice meeting you and
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Date: 2014-05-25 11:32 pm (UTC)But it was really nice meeting you, too! I had a lot of fun and it definitely was a positive this weekend :D Thanks for meeting up with us!
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Date: 2014-05-25 11:39 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2014-05-25 11:49 pm (UTC)Let's do karaoke next time!
And go to Castle Lockhart!
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Date: 2014-05-26 02:11 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-05-26 03:22 am (UTC)On my way to airport now... :(
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Date: 2014-05-26 03:32 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-05-26 07:10 am (UTC)I'll take you to a good bar in Harajuku! No hirano Sho allowed. *nods*
PS My suitcase was overweight and I didn't even have my records or the four cat mugs (!) I bought in there loll!
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Date: 2014-05-26 07:29 am (UTC)Oh wow XDD I'm glad you had successful shopping ventures, but sorry about your suitcase. XD;
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Date: 2014-05-26 08:01 am (UTC)That doesn't weigh much although autocorrect just tried to make if "Fuma" who definitely isn't something I packed today. XDD
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Date: 2014-05-26 08:17 am (UTC)Hahahaha. If only…?
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Date: 2014-05-25 04:51 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-05-25 11:42 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-05-25 04:58 pm (UTC)I wish I could meet you in person too.
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Date: 2014-05-25 11:40 pm (UTC)I wish I could meet you in person too!! Come visit me in Japan XD
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Date: 2014-05-25 08:12 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2014-05-26 04:08 am (UTC)Cheer up Reia! There's so much better in store for you.
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Date: 2014-05-26 04:22 am (UTC)I hope so! I'm so sad and worried for him right now.
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Date: 2014-05-26 04:38 am (UTC)That is such an unfair way to treat Reia, or anyone in fact!! I hope he doesn't feel to downcast ;_;
I'm sorry that you had to see that happen :(((((
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Date: 2014-05-26 04:43 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-05-26 06:48 am (UTC)Reia hass less line in concert is not Ren/Hirano/Kaito's fault and in MC too, you can make others miss understading about them!
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Date: 2014-05-26 07:43 am (UTC)If you reread my entry, I never once said it was Hirano, Nagase, or Takahashi's faults. In terms of solo lines and performances, I don't think there was anything about my post that implied that it was their fault in the slightest. As for the MC, there is no denying that their behaviour was rude. However, I specifically mentioned that I didn't think it was that they were bad people, and even chalked it up to just being teenagers. I think that their actions were rude, yes, but I never said that I thought that they were rude or bad people.
As for you can make others miss understading about them, I'm honestly not entirely sure what you're trying to say, but maybe I wasn't clear enough about how the MC went. In terms of percentages of talking here's a breakdown:
Hirano: 35%
Nagase: 35%
Nishihata (guest): 20%
Takahashi: 9%
Reia: 1%
He literally did not get a chance to speak until at least 3 minutes into the MC and said approximately 5 sentences in the entire 20 minute talk. I'm not saying I wished that Hirano and Nagase didn't get to talk. I'm not even saying that I wished Reia talked more than them, or even really the same as them. If it was even close to equal, I would have been happy. And frankly, if it had been reversed, and Reia had been doing all the talking and Hirano, for example, had been left out, I would have posted something like "I felt so sorry for Hirano, they were really mean to him!" This isn't about me wanting less for the Kansai juniors. It's about the fact that there was literally an immense inequality between the four supposed stars of the performance.
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Date: 2014-05-26 08:25 am (UTC)I will check tw, ameblo and weibo for your report, I really like Reia and Jrs, I dont want some one said bad abouth them
for the best if you can report 4 shows in 31 May and 1 June for future details
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Date: 2014-05-26 08:32 am (UTC)I'm not sure what you mean. I didn't post any report anywhere (except this brief not-really-real-report here). Checking ameblo and twitter briefly last night, I saw Japanese fans who had gone to Crea this weekend saying that they thought Reia didn't appear enough, or that it seemed unfair to him. None of them were badmouthing Hirano or Nagase. They were simply sad that Reia had been treated badly.
I don't have tickets to any of the other shows, so unfortunately I won't be able to report any of them.
Edited to reply to something I missed-- "dumb teenager" is also a phrase often used in American English to mean "teenagers who make silly mistakes because they're not adults yet." It was not at all a comment about their intelligence or personalities, but rather a phrase (not just "dumb" but "dumb teenagers") meant to say, I understand why they might not notice if they were ignoring someone, because teenagers often do things like that. I'm from America originally, and my posts are often full of American English colloquialisms and slang. I'm sorry if you thought I meant something else.
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Date: 2014-05-26 08:04 am (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2014-05-26 08:56 am (UTC)And I'm glad we got to meet up with so many people and get so many beautiful shop photos ♥
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Date: 2014-05-26 09:05 am (UTC)Yes! ♥ It was great.
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Date: 2014-05-26 10:02 am (UTC)Anyways, I also feel sorry about what you exeprience right at the live performance. But keep supporting your boy so that he won't feel being isolated.
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Date: 2014-05-26 10:10 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-05-26 02:23 pm (UTC)therefore after watched Jr.1 katteisen, i had thought that hirasho, nagase, and kaito knew each other. it also seemed that reia knew them each other too. however I still dont believe that reia was threated like that (>︿<｡)
the one that I knew of kansai Jr was they were very talkative. so whether was one of caused?
i also curious just nagase and hirano sho that have more works with kanto Jr. is this a code that they are the one who will be debut at volleyball 2015?
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Date: 2014-05-26 02:32 pm (UTC)I really don't know what to make of the whole thing. It seems likely that it was a "culture clash" or Kansai culture versus Tokyo culture that left Reia not being able to talk in the MC at all, since in Kansai it seems like most of the juniors don't feel bad talking over one another but in Tokyo that's not at all the case. It still seemed pretty obnoxious and rude, but they are just teenage boys. As for the rest of the show… that's on the management, and I really don't understand it.
You definitely might be right-- I'd been thinking about the idea off and on for some time now. Hirano is too old though (rather, it's either him OR Reia and I really don't want to believe that it'll be him over Reia), but Nagase is the right age. They haven't had a Kansai and Tokyo mix since NEWS though, and you can see where NEWS ended. I guess we'll just have to watch and see. I'm not going to make another prediction until September 2014, so… I'm just going to watch things for now and see how they go.
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Date: 2014-05-26 02:56 pm (UTC)as you said, nagase have opportunity. he also seemed like was pushed over more than other kansai Jr by jyanis. speaking of debut, i just hope that reia is the one of it. honestly, i dont like the combination of kansai Jr and kanto Jr. its feel like there is something that cant be merged each other..
but yeah, lets watch whatever will happen on the next..
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Date: 2014-05-26 11:39 pm (UTC)I'm glad you said that because I totally feel the same way. Kansai's fans and Tokyo's fans are mostly separate, and the two groups have totally different personalities and cultures. A mix just ends badly (like NEWS) because I don't think they're able to communicate well.
But yeah. I'm hoping for Reia but we just have to wait and see.
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Date: 2014-05-27 10:33 am (UTC)I'm glad you had a good weekend nevertheless!
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Date: 2014-05-27 10:39 am (UTC)Thanks! ...haha, I'm still depressed about this show today, though.
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Date: 2014-05-27 02:53 pm (UTC)And, I like Hirano Sho, but with my impression of him, I don't imagine him as being very good at talking or MCing, so I can definitely see him as being oblivious or careless about making sure everyone gets a chance to talk (I don't have as strong of an impression of Ren, though).
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Date: 2014-05-28 12:08 am (UTC)And yeah… I don't particularly think they were trying to be rude or mean, or think they're assholes or anything. I get that they're dumb teenagers, and I get the impression that the way talking and respecting your senpai and stuff works in Kansai is totally different, but… as a Tokyo junior fan, and knowing Reia is a Tokyo junior who probably expects things to be more polite and orderly, it was still really upsetting.
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Date: 2014-05-28 03:15 pm (UTC)I always think of live performances and stuff to be the very best of Johnny's, so yeah, it must be sad for even one of those to end up really bad.
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Date: 2014-05-28 11:27 pm (UTC)Yeah, exactly. And I'm lucky enough to see a lot since I live near Tokyo, but even then, I'm not sure the next chance I'll have to see Reia live, so it's really depressing. ;___;
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Date: 2014-05-29 12:03 pm (UTC)At first, Sexy Age includes Sho, Ren and Sexy Jr includes Reia, Kaito. After that, staff change to Sexy Age (Sho, Ren, Kaito) and Sexy Jr (Reia, Fu, Matsukura, Genta and others)
So I think Reia didn't talk more in the MC is easy to understand. The main will be Sho, Ren and Kaito. Reia with others are supporter. I want you to know about that. You say that Crea is Reia's show, it's not true.
I love Reia and other Jrs like Sho, Ren. About they treated Reia, I didn't join the show so I don't have anything to say. Crea is the show to push Sho and Ren but I think Reia will have another chance to show off on another show.
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Date: 2014-05-29 02:00 pm (UTC)Additionally, you say it wasn't Reia's show, but the show was billed as Sexy Age and Sexy Jr equally. If that's the case, it was still his show, it was just also Fu, Genta, Matsukura, and Tajima's show as well. So really, even more people were treated badly if what you say is true. And on top of that, Hirano and Nagase didn't let Kaito talk in the MC, either. So if it actually was like what you say (which I hope you'll understand, but I'm not going to believe until you give me a source), they still treated Kaito poorly.
You say "Crea is the show to push Sho and Ren," but yet earlier you said they were also in a group with Kaito? So which are you saying it is? I'm not trying to say you're wrong, but I'm having a lot of trouble understanding what you're trying to say when you contradict yourself that way.
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Date: 2014-06-05 01:11 pm (UTC)I follow Kanto and Kansai Jrs closely and only follow them. After read your entry, it didn’t make me surprise when Reia didn’t have solo line or solo song or something else. It made me feel like “Sho-Ren’s show and other Jrs”. Shounen club 2014.05.07, they sang Ai no mikata without Reia. The news of Kurie, only Sho-Ren-Kaito participated in. And the show YOUtachi~ Johnny's Jr. No. 1 Ketteisen, the final stage is Sho-Ren-Kaito, right ? So if Kurie is the place to push 3 of them (especially Sho-Ren), I can understand.
And if everything didn’t change, why did there have only 3 of them read their message to each other?
About the treating, I will try to find audio or something. I didn’t join in the show so I don’t want to write about this.
Sorry because English is not my native language, hope you understand what I means.
Anyway, I’m sorry if I got wrong information. I didn’t force you to believe me or anything else. I just want to share my opinions, don’t get me wrong ! :)
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Date: 2014-06-05 01:33 pm (UTC)Let me put this another way. Say you went to a Johnny's WEST concert, and every member of Johnny's WEST performed except Kotaki. Every other member had a solo and many solo lines, while Kotaki was in the back the entire time. In fact, Kotaki only participated in 1/3 of the show. If you bought your ticket knowing Kotaki was a member of Johnny's WEST and wanting to see him, wouldn't you be upset? It doesn't matter who SHOULD be pushed. It's a matter of advertising the show as one thing and having it be another.
Your argument seems to hinge on Crea being "the place to push the three of them" but I think you're missing an important fact. Crea was not supposed to be a three person show. It was advertised as a FOUR person show. Written on my ticket that I bought and used to get into the event is that it's a show for Sexy Age AND Sexy Junior. It was SUPPOSED to be for all four of them. I don't honestly care who's more talented or who's more pushed or whatever. I'm not arguing about who deserves more attention or spotlight in terms of talent. I'm talking about literally what the show was SUPPOSED to be, what it was ADVERTISED to be, and the fact that that was not what it actually was.
If I understand you correctly, you're not really talking about the same thing as me. I'm sorry if I/my entry are hard to understand, but I really don't know how to make it much clearer. I respect your opinion, but I don't honestly care if it "feels" like "Sho-Ren's show with other Jrs." to you or to anyone. I know what was advertised when I bought my ticket, I know what was said during the show, I saw the way that they treated Reia, and while I don't think that either Nagase nor Hirano are bad people, I found the experience and their behaviour to be pretty upsetting.
At the end of the day, what I want to say is this: The show was advertised as starring Hirano, Nagase, Takahashi, and Reia. I paid a lot for my ticket to see Reia. I was upset when he was treated badly. I think most people would feel the same way if they were in the same position with their favourite JE guy. If you don't agree with me, I respect that and you're more than welcome to, but I'm not going to change my opinion. I was there, I saw it with my own eyes, and I know what I saw and what I felt. This isn't an insult to Nagase or Hirano or anyone else. This is simply about the fact that Reia was top billed for the show and treated as if he was not top billed.